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Audeze Penrose A Low-Latency Wireless Planar Magnetic Gaming Headset MegaThread + Q&A
Consumer Experiences.I will be adding more info here as more people get their hands on it. My unit will be on its way as soon as it can.
- Very positive reaction to Audio quality.
- Issues with the Mic, quality being lower than the soundcloud samples.
- Connection Range seems to be slightly disappointing, which is what I expected.
- PC App lacking some features (they will be added later).
- Distortion issues I have seen brought up. No info I can give on that.
Mic samples up on their Soundcloud, https://soundcloud.com/audeze/tracks. Sounds like a very solid mic and over wireless, it's not half bad.
Thanks to the dozens of people who reached out to let me know about the mic samples.
Update: thanks to u/psiren66 for linking this update.
We are still waiting for certifications from the lab and Microsoft. Everything else is lined up, but we're unable to ship until the certifications come through. We apologize for the continued delay. Our goal is to ship all units later in October. We very much appreciate your patience, but we also understand that some of you might not want to wait any longer. If you would like us to cancel and refund your Penrose order, please email us at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and we’ll be happy take care of that for you On a more positive note, we’ve taken this extra time to improve the amplifier circuit to be fully balanced. This means that Penrose now has double the voltage swing for dramatically increased dynamic range!https://www.head-fi.org/threads/audeze-penrose-x-and-penrose.937477/page-26#post-15893890
The reason for not posting too many updates (even mic samples etc) is, we want them to be comprehensive and useful. We will certainly post them with data in a few days.
Just making a megathread to prevent a ton of posts being made about it. Ill include official info, and any other info I can find.
|Style:||Over-ear, closed-circumaural||Over-ear, closed-circumaural|
|Transducer type||Planar Magnetic||Planar Magnetic|
|Magnetic structure||Fluxor™ magnet array||Fluxor™ magnet array|
|Magnet Type||Neodymium N50||Neodymium N50|
|Diaphragm type||Ultra-thin Uniforce™||Ultra-thin Uniforce™|
|Transducer size||100 mm||100 mm|
|Frequency response||10Hz - 50kHz||10Hz - 50kHz|
|THD||<0.1% (1 kHz, 1mW)||<0.1% (1 kHz, 1mW)|
|Earpads||Contoured memory foam: artificial leather||Contoured memory foam: artificial leather|
|Microphone||Detachable broadcast quality mic||Detachable with separate volume control|
|Battery type||Lithium-polymer (15hr battery life)||Lithium-polymer|
|Wireless Connection||2.4 GHz Wireless + Bluetooth (SBC, AAC)||Bluetooth (SBC, AAC, LDAC)|
|Wired Connection||3.5mm analog audio, USB-A-to-C charging||USB-C, USB-A, 3.5mm analog audio|
FAQs From The Product Page
- When will Penrose ship?
- We expect to start shipping Penrose in early September 2020. Our shipping dept will process and ship in the order received as much as possible.
- Will I be charged at the time of my pre-order?
- Yes, your payment must be fully processed in order to reserve your pre-order.
- Do you sell to international customers?
- Yes, however, international customers will be expected to pay any customs fees/duties in addition to shipping. We recommend purchasing from one of our participating international dealers or distributors!
- How is Penrose different from Mobius?
- Penrose is a Lossless, Low-Latency Wireless headset. While it does look like Mobius, it does not feature any of the 3D audio or head tracking technology included in Mobius. If you're looking for a true wireless gaming headset for console or PC, Penrose is the one for you!
- Is Penrose Dual-Band Wireless?
- No. Penrose features a Dual Wireless connection, meaning you can use it over 2.4GHz wireless and/or Bluetooth 5.0. It does not support 5GHz connection.
- What's the difference between Penrose and Penrose X?
- Penrose is compatible with PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 gaming consoles, as well as Windows and Macintosh systems. Penrose X is designed for Xbox, and is compatible with Xbox Series X and Xbox One, as well as Windows systems.
- Will Penrose and Penrose X support Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, or Windows Sonic for 3D audio rendering?
- Penrose X will support these formats on Xbox Series X and Windows; detailed instructions will be included in the user guide.
- PlayStation consoles will not support these formats as Sony is taking a radically different approach to 3D audio in the PS5 with their new Tempest audio engine. Penrose will support Tempest, as well as the other formats on compatible devices.
- Does Penrose support audio over its USB-C port?
- Penrose supports audio over 2.4gHz wireless or Bluetooth only. The USB port is for charging, programming and firmware updates.
Differences From the Mobius
- Completly different electronics inside, so the noise floor should be somewhat lower, nnot confirmed by how much.
- Addition of RF 2.4GHz wireless via the included dongle.
- Cut down Bluetooth support. Only SBC and AAC. Bonus is the Bluetooth that supports simultaneous cast. So connecting it to your phone for discord or music should work.
- New microphone, No pop filter pictured.
- 30g lighter
- No Headtracking or proprietary 3d/VSS
- 10 band EQ, sidetone, and chat mix available via the desktop app for PC use.
- A mobile app that will offer most if not all features for in some form for Xbox series X for sure. No info on its support for this gen consoles or PS5.
- $100USD cheaper, $150USD cheaper for the first 1000 pre-orders.
- 2 models available, the Penrose and Penrose X.
- No USB audio support. Which is odd, but 3.5mm support will remain for Multi-Device support I'd assume.
- Default FR may be slightly different but should be very close.
- Sound quality over wireless should be close if not a tad worse.
Q & APlease leave your Questions below and ill see if either I can answer them or I can get Audeze to.
Question: Sound-wise how will these vary from the Mobius or will they be the same (same via USB or 3.5mm but I assume wireless will vary slightly)?
Answer: Similar quality as Mobius over wireless.
Question: Will the FR be the same as the Mobius on default? An will there be the same supported eq presets?
Answer: Yes. We will have presets in the app and custom EQ as well. This is something many people requested in Mobius, but we had hardware limitations. So we implemented them in Penrose.
Question: I know a lot of consumers were hoping next-gen consoles would have completely modern USB audio support. But seeing as there are 2 different Penrose headsets and neither work on both next Gen console, would it be safe to say based on what you know designing headsets for the next-gen consoles, they won't have "open" USB support? But maybe it has something more to do with making it also work on this Gen. Any info on this would be super helpful.
Answer: This is more of a security/Licensing issue.
Question: Will there be any improvements over the Mobius, like lower noise floor, better mic, or whatnot? I have seen that it does have a different mic, I do hope a pop filter will be included.
Answer: The mic has been redesigned from the ground up. We hope to share more information before launch. It has a built-in pop filter. When we mean broadcast quality mic, we don't mean that lightly. The mic was originally designed and is widely used for broadcast applications. The mic will also be backward compatible to Mobius.
Question: What is the reason only the "Sony" model works on Mac? An will both function and work the exact same for the consumer if you ignored console support? So for PC gamers is it better to buy the blue model or just which everyone they like?
Question: I see that there will be an app that allows features like sidetone, and chat mix, and eq. Will these be available for all consoles and pc, or only while on PC and Xbox Series X?
Answer: App will support sidetone on/off. Chat mix is done on the console and Xbox version has a protocol to send the commands over wireless. For PS you will have to change it in the source.
Question: Will some of these software features like the 10 band eq be available also on the Mobius? I would assume some like sidetone and chat mix maybe not.
Answer: No. There is no space in HW on the Mobius to implement it.
Question: Since the simultaneous wireless connections allow you to listen to your main device while using a chat app on your phone via Bluetooth(id assume this also means in this way you can also make a phone call). Will, you also be able to listen and chat on your main device while just listening to music on your phone via Bluetooth and take a call (So will the mic being able to on the fly swap between use over Bluetooth and RF or does it just transmit to both)?
Question: Is it possible to buy a second dongle? Will the Penrose be able to connect to multiple dongles (not at the same time of course)? Can you connect a Penrose X to a normal Penrose dongle and vice versa or does each Version only connect with its respected dongle?
Answer: Most likely not at launch but other dongles will be made available later on and the two headsets are the same so pairing to a new dongle is possible but maybe a slight annoyance to do.
Question: Does the Penrose support multipoint Bluetooth (multiple device connection), and if so, how do you switch between devices.
Answer: Can't say for sure, we passed your message to our techs and let you know as soon as they reply.
Question: As I understand it, the simultaneous wireless connections allow you to listen to your main 2.4ghz device while placing a phone call on your mobile device or using a chat app such as discord. Will, you also be able to listen and chat on your main device while just listening to music on your phone via Bluetooth and take a call (So will the mic being able to on the swap between use over Bluetooth and RF or does it just transmit to both)? Clarification would be great on the function of this.
Answer: The mic will transmit to whichever device is set up as the communications device.
Question: Is it possible to buy a second dongle? Will the Penrose be able to connect to multiple dongles? Can you connect a Penrose X to a normal Penrose dongle and vice versa or does each version only connect with its respected dongle? LLC Note(This does contradict a QA from above so id be wary of the ablity to buy extra dongles)
Answer: We are not sure if we can sell the dongles separately because of licensing / security chipset requirements. Our suggestion, for now, is to purchase the Penrose version you plan to use most.
Question: Can you cancel the preorder before it ships if necessary and have the money refunded?
Question: Is chat/game mix available in the PS5 Penrose?
Answer: Both consoles allow the adjustment of volume for game/chat. In Xbox, this can be controlled from the headset. In PS5 there is no equivalent command to send for adjusting the mix, so it must be done via the console's standard method.
Question: Will Penrose sound like Mobius?
Answer: Once EQ is finalized, we expect Penrose to sound similar to Mobius in Stereo mode, with 3D off.
Thanks to everyone at Audeze who answers mine and everyone else's questions.